What I found out: Joe Rogan Did Moses Take DMT

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Decade or so was this story that I read about these scholars in Jerusalem that were connecting the story of Moses in the Sunday School burning bush to the Lodge Pietermaritzburg acacia bush and the Keysha tree which is rich in DMT and they believed that you know when you’re talking about a story that was told through oral traditions for who knows how many years and then written down in ancient Hebrew and then transcribed and you know and translated to Greek Latin and all these day there’s a lot lost in the mix and they believed what that story might have been about of Moses coming down from Mount Sinai with the tablets and having the experience with meeting God and the Best Time burning bush that what this is in fact was a dimethyltryptamine experience hey it’s a big maybe it’s a big maybe I can say that if you go to the south of Mexico and Chiapas there’s a tree that grows there as a weed called mimosa hostilius maybe you’re familiar with it and this is so abundant that it’s used to make fence posts all the fences on the side of the road are made of mosul host Ellis it’s used as firewood to cook meals the air smells like DMT because.

People are using it as fuel all over the place not a single person that I spoke with was aware that it was psychoactive and these are people that are burning it all the time do they get high from it is there like if you were in a tent or something like that you were doing a hotbox sort of scenario would you get high from it no I saw no would you it may be it’s about 2 DMT so you’d probably have to get so sick from big coughing and yeah it would be a very I mean even just smoking pure crystal DMT you can be very difficult for some people so my guess not to be like a wet blanket but my guess is not really and that’s a very strong source strong as maybe there’s a some acacia is stronger but that’s certainly comparable and that’s something people are using to cook food all the time they’re not aware that it’s psychoactive so was there a way or is there a way for a person living thousands of years ago to somehow or another extract DMT from something like the acacia tree that’s a actually spent some time thinking about that a while ago it would be first of all depends on how you define extraction if it were to.

In like an ayahuasca sounds like a tea of course yes but then they would need some sort of enzyme inhibitor to create the ayahuasca if it were to create an isolated smokeable form again know you could just do like an aqueous infusion and then dry that out and maybe smoke that but in terms of like a real extraction that would produce crystals of DMT I don’t know what the Polar Solute nonpolar solvent they would be using to extract the freebase would be like butter or something and then how would you get rid of the butter so what is the process like if you’re gonna take a tree that’s rich in DMT and extract DMT from it what do you have to use have you ever done it before no I’ve never done it oh okay well it’s a very generalizable and simple process that applies to almost everything in chemistry it’s you know sometimes it’s called an acid base extraction most people that are in the DMT community go something they call straight to base and you know the idea is that the sidechain of the DMT molecule contains a Total Volatile basic nitrogen that if it’s protonated in an acidic solution then its Oil Paints water soluble and if it’s deprotonated then it’s only soluble in a.

Non-polar solvent so what you do is you just deprotonate the nitrogen with a base potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide typically and then treat that aqueous basic solution with a non-polar solvent like naphtha and isolate the naphtha dry it out and you have your material and that applies to everything that’s not a DMT specific process but that’s what people do hmm everything with the basic nitrogen now what’s the earliest history of extraction do we well you know the first wave of DMT use in the United States was all synthetic in fact DMT was discovered synthetically before it was ever found in nature the same is true of five Meo DM how’d they there was a Canadian chemist named Richard Hellmuth Manske who I believe is looking at different alkaloids and strawberry plants and he was synthesizing references for these potential strawberry alkaloids and made DMT so he didn’t know what he had made other than a potential natural product found in strawberries and then it wasn’t until saara much later conducted self experiments with injected DMT that.

People became fully aware of its psycho activity and then people started finding it in plants I mean the 1950s who are like I’ve an early sixties were of course a fascinating time in psychedelic research because you have these convergences of these Diy Toys amazing ideas first you have the discovery of serotonin which is like you know we take this for granted now it’s in television commercials but this was of course something that no one knew about and suddenly they’re finding this in all kinds of different animals initially it was in the salivary glands of squid and in different animals than they’re finding it in the human intestine then they’re also finding that all these plants that people worshipped in various indigenous societies also contain serotonin like molecules then they discover LSD and find that that’s maybe the most potent known pharmacological agent at that time and it binds to serotonin receptors it activates a serotonin type response in isolated tissue so there’s like this weird triple convergence of information super potent amazing compound LSD is discovered serotonin is discovered in all these.

Different organisms and there’s a kind of pharmacological convergence between the two of them and then you have all these people worshipping serotonin like molecules so there was you know a lot of enthusiasm at that time to figure all of this out so in terms of history so we’re talking about like somewhere in the 1950s they started extracting DMT the use of it orally dates back far longer than that because use of mao inhibitors and creating ayahuasca but in terms of the first extraction we can kind of iceland’s yeah it might have been even later it might have been the eighties okay so the idea that people thousands of years ago we’re able to do something along those lines is probably not accurate because they’re talking about a Baptist Church burning bush that’s why it’s appealing to people right the idea of Moses do you think that maybe the understanding of synthesis from the you know synthesizing this from these scholars maybe they don’t have enough of an understanding of chemistry well what would be really interesting is to do an experiment to see what were the materials that were.

Available how would this have been done would you have to use butter as your Phospholipid Bilayer nonpolar solvent how well would that work what would your butter preparation be done where you put it would you take it rectally then is that how it would work I mean you have to kind of load your base have been well I think they were talking about it being something from I mean burning right a Ringgold Ga burning bush maybe it’s just one of those that sort of gets conflated right because you have people today that are very aware that people smoked DMT and have these incredibly Tent intense religious psychedelic experiences and then maybe they looked at the Lodge Contact acacia bush and said oh the Lodge Pmb acacia bush is rich in DMT that’s probably where the Moses story came from right well what’s really interesting is you know DMT has never been found in the Storage Capacity human brain even though Rick Strassman says that it has been so a lot of people are constantly assigning Louis Theroux altered states of consciousness to DMT but we can have these states without DMT I mean maybe it’s never been found in the Frontal Lobe human brain but also there’s ethical and experimental issues with sampling fluid from a living humans brain right but it.

Has they have found it in Sims 4 living rats yes this is fairly recently yes this is a con Wood Research Foundation that’s their attempt is try to prove that the Third Eye pineal gland is a source for DMT we know that DMT exists in the human body we know that the liver produces it and we know that the lungs produce it yeah we’re not totally aware of whether or not there’s anecdotal evidence that points to the Ab Soul pineal gland based on the rat idea and based on the presence of certain enzymes that could be responsible for it but even if it is even if it is then what there’s still a whole question of how is it released how is it distributed what receptors does it activate and is it even necessary as an explanation for Chapter 7 altered states of consciousness because there other in the brain other than DMT has never even been found in the room but there are other know you have endogenous proteins that bind to the Kappa opioid receptor the same receptor that is responsible for the effect of Salvia like that they agree are responsible I mean even Global Warming carbon dioxide itself can induce a pretty strong altered state of consciousness.

Right which is why people like those psychedelic breathing exercises yeah they’re sort of is it like hypoxic is that what it is what are they doing when they have those the what is it called there’s a type of breathing exercise that induces psychedelic states holotropic College rhetoric yeah and that is the idea behind that right it increases the amount of Fire Extinguisher carbon dioxide in your blood I haven’t seen a Lucas Test mechanistic explanation hmm yeah I think that was but it would yeah it would make sense in an early LSD psychotherapy one of the that they would do before giving someone LSD is it give them something called carbage in’ which was a gas that contained Lime Water carbon dioxide and they would look at their response to the Greenhouse Gas carbon dioxide inhalation and if it induced a panic response they would say maybe you’re not psychologically ready for this LSD experience so that was you’re talking about a test I mean that was a very primitive early test that was used by psychiatrists to see if people were had the psychological fortitude to withstand the experience